then they're idiots! i wasn't there but even if they were taking fire that's pure insanity with vehicles that light! but i also see what you're talking about. i hope someone actually gives the real story behind what happened here. the roads are notorious though and the idea of a rollover is just part of the risks but to have it happen during recovery is....something else.
also did you notice the terrain? i'm wondering if we aren't seeing some kind of breakdown with the lead vehicle. simply driving down the hill a bit and then climbing back up the hill seems like a more prudent course of action. but again i wasn't there so i don't know. I REALLY WANT TO HERE THE REAL DEAL BEHIND THIS!
Recovery and towing off road is a skill. You may be the best world's soldier but a few weeks driving course isn't going to cover everything and you will have little time to build up skills. Like most courses they are designed to impart enough skill so you can drive safely; it is unrealistic to expect more. Driving off road for the army is different than driving competitively off road. That is why you see pictures of 8x8s stuck in the mud. I have seen brand new 4x4s on their side in the mildest of terrain because the driver failed to read the ground. That's why I take tracks vs wheels discussions with a pinch of salt because I know that the level of training and expectations of the army re mobility of these vehicles is low. Not because the vehicles are poor or the drivers are poor just because they have to be realistic in their expectations and take into account the lowest common dominator. I have put Land Rovers into places that a vehicle that size shouldn't go. Would it happen in war? No. Why? Because one it takes too long, it puts the vehicle at risk, and you would be better off walking. We all make cock-ups. Shit happens especially on a two way range.
That Jackal is an inadequate vehicle and that this sort of deep reconnaissance would have been better handled by a unit with expert drivers like one of our FRR formations is another story.
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back to driving school....
ReplyDeletespecifically 4WD recovery - notice the snatch strap pulling him back...
Deletei didn't at first. great catch!
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DeleteIt may be a double pull (so to speak) - first vehicle looks like it also launches back at the start - contributing to the roll over
ReplyDeletethen they're idiots! i wasn't there but even if they were taking fire that's pure insanity with vehicles that light! but i also see what you're talking about. i hope someone actually gives the real story behind what happened here. the roads are notorious though and the idea of a rollover is just part of the risks but to have it happen during recovery is....something else.
Deletealso did you notice the terrain? i'm wondering if we aren't seeing some kind of breakdown with the lead vehicle. simply driving down the hill a bit and then climbing back up the hill seems like a more prudent course of action. but again i wasn't there so i don't know. I REALLY WANT TO HERE THE REAL DEAL BEHIND THIS!
Wait, why they need to pull it out? This is Jackal right... a high mobility one and it's stuck on something on a fraking road?
ReplyDeleteI think this footage is from a documentary,
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ9aBYPMa64
Recovery and towing off road is a skill. You may be the best world's soldier but a few weeks driving course isn't going to cover everything and you will have little time to build up skills. Like most courses they are designed to impart enough skill so you can drive safely; it is unrealistic to expect more. Driving off road for the army is different than driving competitively off road. That is why you see pictures of 8x8s stuck in the mud. I have seen brand new 4x4s on their side in the mildest of terrain because the driver failed to read the ground. That's why I take tracks vs wheels discussions with a pinch of salt because I know that the level of training and expectations of the army re mobility of these vehicles is low. Not because the vehicles are poor or the drivers are poor just because they have to be realistic in their expectations and take into account the lowest common dominator. I have put Land Rovers into places that a vehicle that size shouldn't go. Would it happen in war? No. Why? Because one it takes too long, it puts the vehicle at risk, and you would be better off walking. We all make cock-ups. Shit happens especially on a two way range.
That Jackal is an inadequate vehicle and that this sort of deep reconnaissance would have been better handled by a unit with expert drivers like one of our FRR formations is another story.