tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post6285445461510637146..comments2023-11-03T04:00:20.994-05:00Comments on SNAFU!: Roebling was right. Modern rescue agencies wrong.Solomonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05980277484445749796noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-88950828076958909312012-10-31T15:25:40.552-05:002012-10-31T15:25:40.552-05:00your using common sense...and speaking about the g...your using common sense...and speaking about the goverment at the same time. thats not allowed.<br /><br />the 113 would be perfect. as would using the reserve track units, there is one such unit in va, or move some of those units up from Court House Bay. 2nd tracks has a whole bn at home...with a whole bn worth of tracks that would love to have a purpose. oh wait. that makes sense.johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03825754242863806471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-10860248487694853912012-10-30T22:26:58.233-05:002012-10-30T22:26:58.233-05:00Golly, if only each state had a military organizat...Golly, if only each state had a military organization that could respond to national disasters. Oh, wait.<br /><br />Seriously, Sol, that's a great idea. I remember when we had a blizzard back in the 80's in Minnesota, the governor called out the National Guard to use M113's to rescue stranded travelers. These were the only vehicles suitable for the snow drifts.<br /><br />You could use the National Guard's logistics systems to maintain and support M113s dedicated for only disasters or civil unrest. A National Guard armory could co-ordinate with local law enforcement, fire departments, county sheriffs, Red Cross chapters and develop plans.<br /><br />A good radio, GPS, some basic food and medical supplies and you'd have a great rescue platform. Not to mention, you could retrofit each with a winch and the ability to generate electricity.<br /><br />Utilize the ambulances, recovery vehicles and command vehicles to support the rescue vehicles.<br /><br />With all of the M113's being retired and or in mothballs, it would be easy to provide each state with a few dozen vehicles.Paralushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18237133841423658945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-55933832072915134772012-10-30T22:24:41.777-05:002012-10-30T22:24:41.777-05:00I think that you may be a bit off target as far as...I think that you may be a bit off target as far as US first responders begging for MRAPs. I thought that the Marine Corps, in particular, wanted to reduce the build order and the legislators overrode that request in order to bring home the bacon.<br />The USG was "swamped" with MRAPS and has been giving them to any state or local agency that could fill out the grant paperwork. It's not too hard to find one or two tucked away in a county garage. On the local level, you are the hero if you can get free stuff.<br />As to the premise of the article, you are absolutely correct. Some type of utilitarian vehicle for traversing debris, swimming or fording and an over-snow capability would be practical.roscoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07501783971588689199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-26114380002563768212012-10-30T15:48:59.878-05:002012-10-30T15:48:59.878-05:00i was aiming for an off the shelf solution. bette...i was aiming for an off the shelf solution. better yet something we have in storage. that's why i like the M113 with band tracks. they can be easily trucked into the area of need and can be given plows, or blades to move stuff to get to survivors. the M548 would be good for pure personnel moves but i like the smaller more nimble m113 as my jack of all trades.Solomonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05980277484445749796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-33609199534242000042012-10-30T15:39:43.193-05:002012-10-30T15:39:43.193-05:00If you want a model, you want something like the o...If you want a model, you want something like the old Alvis Stalwart, maybe based on the Stryker if you want commonality.<br /><br />Civilian stuff needs long range, high speed road trafficability and large load carrying capability. Not to mention that FEMA will deal more with road clearance, snow or debris, than with flooding. In military use it could basically replace the M548 as well as serve specialty purposes for the engineers and USMC.BB1984https://www.blogger.com/profile/07300650597167960839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-68752033395918849602012-10-30T12:39:15.830-05:002012-10-30T12:39:15.830-05:00that's another vehicle that can be had for pen...that's another vehicle that can be had for pennies. as far as painting them in Civil Defense colors i think that's awesome. either that or fire red or rescue yellow but my point is that i don't think an MRAP with rescue on the side is legit.Solomonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05980277484445749796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3098674444128189886.post-52186615092415418092012-10-30T12:29:36.986-05:002012-10-30T12:29:36.986-05:00Back in the 50's and 60" our town had flo...Back in the 50's and 60" our town had flooding regularly Our town used a rescue vehicle painted in Civil Defense colors and it was dukw. <br />I believe the MRAPS are either surplus or the rescuers are expecting IEDs instead of floods.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00919376680621222527noreply@blogger.com