Modest proposal. Re-do Tanks along with AAV's...

Hey All.

I have a modest proposal.  While we're redesigning our AAV Battalions to operate two separate vehicles, I say that it would make sense and piggy back onto that development and add an additional class of vehicle to the mix.

As it is now we'll be operating AAV and Amphibious Combat Vehicles...Marine Personnel Carriers with crewmen designate (I'm assuming) to operate both vehicles under one unit.

How about we take whichever vehicle wins the Marine Personnel Carrier competition and add the gun designed for the US Army's MGS system to it!  With that being done, we can then disband Tanks and have direct fire come from the USMC's newly built Direct Fire Gun System (hate the MGS moniker and I love to differentiate our systems from Army if possible)

CAB

The new Battalions would be designated Combat Assault Battalions (I chose this for a couple of reasons...its already in use by the Marine Corps by elements in Okinawa...and will help preserve unit lineage)

So in the end what do we win.  We get all of mechanized assault under one roof.  We get reduced weight aboard our amphibious shipping...and finally our logistics tail from fuel to parts will be reduced.

Instead of operating M1 Tanks, LAV-25's (if we go with MPC then it only makes sense to retire these vehicles), whatever MPC wins the competition and the AAV and its follow on, we're down to just the MPC filling the roles of LAV, MPC (and its gun system) and the AAV.

Consider this a combat vehicle neck down campaign if you will.

What do we lose?  Command slots for Lt. Colonels and Colonels (not exactly a bad thing in a shrinking Marine Corps), but one other thing that isn't quite as good and might entail a bit of risk...we lose the shock action of tanks.  My thinking is that our airpower (F-35, AH-1Z, UH-1Y and Harrier) will be tasked with another mission...anti-armor if we're up against a first tier foe.

Its not perfect and this is just an outline sketch of an idea but I believe it could work.  But if it can't then we at least need to take steps to reduce the weight of the M1 and we need to work out whether they need to deploy with MEU's in greater strength, whether we move them to the Reserves or if we redesign them to make it all work out.  I like what the Jordanians did with their old Chieftans...an unmanned turret should save quite a bit of weight...

Updated Art of the Tactical Carbine is on sale...

CH-46's with the 31st MEU...

Another example of your forward deployed Marines in action...

A CH-46E Sea Knight helicopter with Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 265 (Reinforced), 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, makes an approach to the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2). The 31st MEU is the only continually forward-deployed MEU and remains the United States' force in readiness in the Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Matthew R. Cole/Released)

Two CH-46E Sea Knight helicopters with Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 265 (Reinforced), 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, make an approach to the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2). The 31st MEU is the only continually forward-deployed MEU and remains the United States' force in readiness in the Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Matthew R. Cole/Released)

Two CH-46E Sea Knight helicopters with Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 265 (Reinforced), 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit, fly over the Celebes Sea from the forward-deployed amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2). The 31st MEU is the only continually forward-deployed MEU and remains the United States' force in readiness in the Asia-Pacific region. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Eva-Marie Ramsaran/Released)

Piranha 3 for Marine Personnel Carrier Contest.

With the BAE/Iveco SuperAV 8x8 being practically vapor ware, the only competition left for Lockheed Martin/Patria Havoc 8x8 is probably this offering from General Dynamics Europe.  The Piranha Class 3 is in service with the Spanish Marine Corps and I believe is also being used by the Brazilian Marines.

Either way, I'm beginning to sense the same issues with the MPC that I saw with the EFV program.  A lack of focus, a lack of urgency and no drive from HQMC to get this project going.

As much as I am a fan of the F-35, we can't let the wing suck the air outta the room.  Question for those that doubt me on this...have you heard any word of the upgrades proposed for the AAV?  What about the RFP for the AAV?  Supposedly its out but I have yet to get my hands it.

We need a hard charging Colonel or General to get his hands on the ground combat vehicle situation in the Corps or we'll be riding AAV's into the 2030's.

F-35 Critics take it over the top.

ELP over at his blog has gone off the deep end when it comes to his critique of the F-35 program.  Why?  Because he uses the death of this unfortunate man to high light his disagreement with the program.  Check this out...

A South African farmer has been mauled to death by his pet hippo, after he was warned repeatedly that the animal was dangerous and could never be tamed.
Marius Els, 40, once described six-year-old Humphrey the Hippo as being "like a son" to him but was viciously attacked and killed by the beast over the weekend.
Els was bitten to death by the 1.2 tonne Humphrey and dragged underwater in the same river where he rescued the hippo as a calf.
Humphrey had become an internet sensation earlier this year after footage of Els riding and swimming with him became a hit on YouTube.
"Humphrey's like a son to me, he's just like a human," Els said at the time. "There's a relationship between me and Humphrey and that's what some people don't understand. They think you can only have a relationship with dogs, cats and domestic animals. But I have a relationship with the most dangerous animal in Africa."
However, Els was not unaware of the danger that came with petting a dangerous animal that can move at nearly 50 km/hr.
"Humphrey could rip a man my size apart with no problem - it's a little bit dangerous," he had said.
Humphrey also showed signs it was not as friendly as Els thought.
South African media reported that he chased a 52-year-old man and his seven-year-old grandson up a tree and killed calves that belonged to Els's business partner.
He also broke out of its enclosure often and chased golfers at the local golf club.

Over the top much?  Yeah.  Rabid hatred of a program?  Yeah.  Using the death of a fellow human being to advance your agenda?  Yeah and thats why this is so fucked up.

Disagree all you want but to use a persons death as a punchline to highlight your disagreement is just beyond the pale.

Shock Troopers! Too funny!

Pic of the day. Nov 15, 2011

A U.S. Army CH-47 Chinook takes off from Bagram Air Field, Afghanistan, Nov 5, 2011.
177th Fighter Wing – NJ Air National Guard
Photo by Tech. Sgt. Matt Hecht

US Special Ops focuses on raids, Israel focuses on deep recon.

Jonathan sent me this article (thanks guy) on an Israeli plan to possibly combine several Israeli Special Ops teams into one unit.  via Defense News Electronic Edition.

Israel May Merge Units For Far-flung Missions

By BARBARA OPALL-ROME TEL AVIV

— Israeli military leaders may merge several historically autonomous elite commando units into a single special operations force oriented to multidisciplinary missions far from Israel’s borders. The proposed force, known among a small circle of senior officers here as Deep Corps, is one of several organizational and conceptual upgrades under review in response to escalating threats and instability anticipated in a rapidly changing region.

As the democratic winds of the “Arab spring” turn into what many here pejoratively call the Islamic winter, Israeli military leaders are making worst-case contingency plans for high-intensity war on multiple fronts, and for the prospect of bold, increasingly long-range preemptive special operations.

Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, Israel Defense Forces (IDF) chief of staff, directed a review of the pros and cons of establishing the unified Deep Corps special operations force. Details of the study, led by Maj. Gen. Gadi Eisenkot, a former head of operations and commander of Israel’s Northern Command, have not yet been presented to Gantz for approval.

According to one member of the General Staff, the idea is to merge Sayeret Matkal, Israel’s premier General Staff reconnaissance unit; Navy SEALs (Flotilla 13); the Air Force’s Shaldag target designation unit and 669 airborne search and rescue force into a single com­mand structure subordinate to the IDF chief of General Staff.

Under the plan, each elite unit would re­tain its unique capabilities, but the consoli­dated command would encourage a holistic, less competitive, collaborative approach to mission planning and training. Proponents argue this will allow a more seamless and ul­timately effective operational force.
“We’re talking about an organizational change that impacts planning, training and chain of command, not budget,” said the IDF general officer.

He noted that the proposed Deep Corps special operations force supports a new op­erational concept coalescing within the IDF called “the operational arena between wars.” Under this new concept, the IDF must be prepared to intensify counterterror, anti­smuggling, anti-proliferation and other op­erations beyond its immediate and interme­diate circles of enemy states to the so-called outer circle of threats.
Israel’s military censor did not allow ref­erence to these outer circle states, but for­eign sources have defined them to include Iran and countries lining the Gulf of Aden.

“Before all these changes in the region, the IDF fluctuated between planning for war and fighting wars in parallel to our routine anti-terror operations,” the officer said. “But in the new reality, we understand that there is also a war between wars … and this is much more quiet and extends to much wider circles.”

- from the electronic version of DefenseNews.com

 So while the rest of the Western world, including the US continues to transform all of our units into Rangers...and by that I mean all raids, all the time...the Israeli's see the benefit in having their Special Ops Units be able to perform what I contend is the most difficult of all Special Ops missions.  Deep Recon into hostile territory.

What I don't get is why you would attach the Search and Rescue Unit into this proposed unit.  The only thing that actually makes sense in that regard is if this unit actually going after Iranian Nuke sites and they are also being tasked with not only designating targets but also rescue of aircrew.  This bears watching.